Build summary | A standard BBS build…done right |
Recommended starting class(es) | You can start with any class you want basically, Because you have to level up luck no class wastes stats. |
Recommended Soul Level | ** |
Recommended stats (Leave at default (**) if not raised) |
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Vitality | 50 |
Will/Intelligence | 15 |
Endurance | 35 |
Strength | 18 |
Dexterity | 18 |
Magic | 30 |
Faith | 18 |
Luck | 20 |
Recommended equipment |
Latest setup: This is what I've been fooling around lately, 31 end is still enough if you manage stamina a bit better, and the extra 5 luck makes your BS's take like 1100 hp, which is more than enough to ohko BP's. By priority: Right hand: Left hand: Armor: Rings: Consumables: |
Recommended spells/miracles |
Miracles Spells These are both all you need and all you can afford. Try to keep Light Weapon on at all times and remember to cast it with the insanity catalyst. |
Gameplay tips and progression |
Basic Progression: As for stats: Level up Vitality to 15, then Endurance to 15. Then level up your faith, magic and dexterity to be able to wield the BBS. After you can wield it go for more Vitality and Endurance. When you are comfortable with your HP you can level up Str to 18 to be able to one hand the weapon. Explanation of stats: 15 Will/Intelligence: Pretty obvious, otherwise you can't cast Light Weapon. 35 Endurance: Wait what? But you need 38 at least for the full combo! I know that, but the metagame has changed since a while ago and the probability of actually hitting the full combo is pretty much nonexistent. Switching Endurance for Vitality gives you the extra edge you need while fighting tough opponents. 18 Strength: Because 2H style sucks for approaching, 1H on the other side is pretty cool. 18 Dexterity : You need this to wield the weapon. 30 Magic: To scale with light weapon, 60% of your total DAMAGE comes from here. 18 Faith : Again, you need this to wield it 20 Luck: 20 is the first choke point for luck, dumping more stats into it does not make that much of a difference as those stats can do in other places (Namely Vitaliy) About the build Pros: Cons: General Tactics: Contrary to popular belief, a BBS build is most dangerous when played methodically and using the one handed style most of the times. Your basic strategy is getting them to a low enough health that a 2-3 hit combo will kill them. I know this sometimes isn't possible so you have to settle for SC. We all know about the stunlock, but not many people use the 1h swings to get chip damage before using the combo to guarantee a kill. Your swings, when so use them: 1H R1: This is your standard swing, because of lag and phantom range can hit even after they roll backwards once, use this to your advantage. This hit is also absurdly hard to roll BS while spamming it so don't be shy to abuse it every now and then. 1H R2: This hit is perfect to try when your opponent is getting up, it has relatively good lock on so you can try to aim it to hit after a roll. Alternatively, this can work sometimes as an unexpected attack. Do not try to use it head on though as it will more often than not result in you getting Backstabbed. 1H Running R1: This is perfect for poking and you will be getting most of your hits from this. You can time it to hit after a roll or to hit with the phantom range it has. 2H R1: Great for following up combo, not so much for starting it. Generally ends up in you getting backstabbed if you do it recklessly. 2H R2: Great combo starter, has a wide arch and can get enemies caught relatively easily. This move is also THE best punishment for people who mindlessly try to BS you. Just hit them with this and combo them to death. Honorable mention to the second hit of r2 when two handed, it works nice as a mixup. 2H running R2: This attack is not really that good, use it very sparringly since it is very slow and has horrible locking properties (Does not follow opponent). It does seem however to have some hyperarmor near the end of the attack. Even though it might be due to lag, it is useful sometimes regardless. Hit after roll: This is basically the same 1H or 2H so I will treat them as one. While not a really good swipe, it is surprisingly useful because people rarely expect it. Push: A really good starter in both 1H and 2H. With 2H you make them eat a combo, with 1H you get some neat extra damage on your swap. Particularly vicious if you are using a left handed moon uchi. Variations in setup: 1. Right hand BBS, left hand DSS or other shield. 2. Right hand BBS, left hand moon uchigatana. Additionally, if you catch them in a push you can kill people really quickly, just adding some numbers: This means that with each push sequence you add 290 damage, and can finish up with a 550 swipe. This guarantees at least 860 damage, which means that just hitting once and then doing this will kill most phantoms. Matchups So now I know my own attacks with the BBS. However I have a bit of trouble with poles, and DBS, and katanas, and axes and…well almost everythng. Anyway how do I fight other stuff with this thing? It seems as if everyone is out-ranging me, out-speeding me or out-damaging me. If you occasionally have trouble beating *Insert weapon* look no more, I will do my best to explain srategies that work best against most popular setups. Because you can have the same weapon in different builds I will separate by builds and then by weapons. Fighting strength builds Strength builds are arguably the hardest hitters in the game, anything they have will two shot you at the very least so getting hit is not an option in this matchup. Great Axe Recommended setup: Left kat and BBS, one handed One of the deadliest weapons you will encounter, if you have 45 vit or less you will die in just one shot of this thing (One of the reasons I recommend going to 50) so you most definitely want to focus on evading. For this matchup I recommend using a left handed moon kat because of its speed, and because the axe eats through shields as if they were nothing. Due to hyper armor in virtually every hit your running r1 while 1 handed and the whole 2H stance are basically useless in this matchup. The strategy that works best for me is poking away with the left handed kat and rolling immediatly afterwards, looking for openings to BS. Also, watch out for those grund pounds, they are both your biggest concern and your greates opportunity to get a safe hit in. Because both your weapons have more range than this attack you can hit him safely as long as you hit with the very tip of the sword. Remember, if it connects and stuns follow up with a BBS swing; if it misses or it hits hyper armor roll immediatly afterwards. Finally, timing is crucial when trying to punish ground pounds. In general try to swing as early as possible, because if you swing too early you will hit invincibility frames from the roll and roll out unscathed. However, if you swing too late you will trade your measly 170 damage kat hit for your SC or your death. The perfect timing is when you hit just as he leaved invincibity frames, you hit him and still have time to roll away before he hits you. While this works best against groundpund because it is usually all people use, it can be applied just as well to r1 and r2 hits. With the difference that these attacks give you a lot of time to hit and then roll away. PS: Ground pound has a ridiculous phantom range that can hit even after you roll. If you rolled expecting a ground pound and you see him not attack, immediatly make the command to roll again because you WILL get hit otherwise. Pole (Mirdan Hammer, Halberd) Recommended setup: Shield or left kat and BBS This weapon only has one attack with hyper armor, so poke away with 1H running r1, just be sure to hit with the phantom range or else you will eat their combo. Because they significantly out-reach the sword itself I don't recommend trying to go for a 2H combo unless you trick them into going aggro and have them run into it. If you opt for a shield your best bet is to play keepaway with it and just punish his attacks. Your basic mixup will be either trying a setup parry (Shield first hit, immediatly parry to get the second one) or going for a roll BS (Roll to them as they hit, then quickly turn around and press r1). However, against more experienced players who don't mindlessly spam you will have to work a bit more for your kill. Try poking with running r1 and pretend you are trying to stay away, make them feel safe about trying to hit multiple times so you will actually get a chance to do your thing. If you want to use the kat then try even harder for roll BS, if you are just next to him and see no delay in your hits feel free to hit l1 to beat his attacks and transition into a pushlock. A strategy that works wonders if you don't mind taking hits is trading your running sweep with his r1, then using a kat sweep after you both are out of stunlock. You will probably trade hits again the first time (and lose SC in the process). However, after that you will beat their attack and get a free pushlock pass. In general just don't run into his attacks, play keepaway for the entire match, poking with running r1 from far away and looking for your chance to roll BS. Claymore Recommended setup: Left kat and BBS or Shield This is pretty similar to fighting a pole. You either try to parry, try to roll BS or die in the attempt. One difference however, is that they very rarely use the second sweep; so setting up parry is practically impossible. However, you can easily blind parry this attack. Also, they have even more range so even poking away with the running r1 is not so effective. Again, the left handed kat is a god send because you can out-speed their swing and follow up with a BBS swing. Do not attempt to blindly pivot BS because you will eat a claymore swing. One advantage is that you can actually use the 2H style relatively effectively here. Roll through their hit and use rolling hit, even if they roll away you are now in frame advantage and can swing before they do. DBS Recommended setup: Shield and BBS Do not be afraid of shielding that gigantic thing, it is not as bad on the shield as gaxe. Try to BS a lot since BS is about the only thing you can do safely. Do not use the running r1 unless you see they are not executing an attacks, you really don't want to trade hits in this matchup since they can easily grass after they hit you. The simple 1H r1 can interrupt BBS normal hits so if you get him into close quarters do not be afraid to spam it a bit. However, if he rolls away you should too; especially if you see him with the sword in one hand. About the 2H stance, if you force him to go into offensive it can be useful. Watch out for his running r1 and if you see him to close to execute it you can start your combo with a 2H r2. I can't stress this enough but try to get backstabs in, they are your best bet in this matchup. One hit from BBS and one BS will kill any phantom and prevent excesive grassing. Guillotine Axe Recommended setup: Anything you want That almost wraps it up for strength builds. Additionally, check for morion in the left hand and if you see them be sure to BS or combo to skip their hyper mode. Coming soon: |
Blueblood Sword Build SL 124
I based the style I am writing this page from what Ilkar used in his Faith build.
Hey ggdom,
Are there any major disadvantages to taking some points from vit and end in order to increase my dex to around 25? I would like to take advantage of the sticky bow +5. Thanks.
BTW, great build +1
If you look at the first Character Build Page, Ojimaru already did something for BBS. However, you addressed one of the major flaws of BBS which is lack of versitility. Great job on that, +1.
I saw ojimaru´s page, but his build was like SL 60. This one is for PvP.
You neglected to mention that Ojimaru's build is also a waste of a page. +1 to this from me, gg.
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no offence I also posted a build like this 2 days or maybe 1 day before yours sadly yours has higher rating but yours is a copy of mine with more magic and less end and higher soul lvl but oh well.
just wondering, would 35 END sacrifice an extra hit as compared to the full 40? The extra hit is far more useful than the extra 5 VIT. Also, what is the approximate damage difference between 25mag/30luck and 30mag/25luck?
like I said in my build my bbs user is at lvl 101 and right now im at 40 end when I was at 35 it wasnt as powerfull or so I feel and my opinion I would any day scrifice a bit of vit or luck to get 40 end with my blueblood that extra hit could make a kill or someone running away and healing, while I dont feel that the extra vit makes much of a diiference cause look 40 to 45 vit is like 100 more hp while 1 swing of my bbs is like 200-500 damage.
for your second question I cant anwser what the difference is but the 30mag and 25luck will give more damage output because the bbs gets a minor boost from mag and the mag also increases your light weapon damage by about 1-4 damage points per soul lvl while with luck you only get a 1-2 physical increase and a 1-2 magic increase so im guessing the30mag/25luck is better give my build a +1 just for this replay:).
oh yes and I just read the 60% of your damage comes from here in the stat explanation under magic and let me say that less than 10% of your damage comes from there so what you wrote is BULL I did testing and all boring that stuff before I posted my build and let me say it is completly possible not raise magic past 18 and do almost as much damage.
Incorrect testing will be your downfall, I'm afraid.
ggdoom's numbers are correct, and well known to be so.
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no sorry Ikar light weapon is affected mostly by catalist at 120 magic will be less than 10% to 20% percent at 712 then it will affect light weapon a lot more but at 120 not really.
I think what he means is 60% of your damage is magic not physical
@mmd: How do you get off saying I copied you? I checked your build before posting my own and IIRC at the time you had something like 18 magic and 30-35 luck. Not to mention, the stats on the build itself are about as standard as they can get, I think I mention it very clearly here that most of those stats are already been used. What I did take the trouble of writing, and I know for a fact is not so standard is the giant text on how to properly fight with this build. Also, like Ilkar mentioned; your testing was probably flawed. I was actually being generous to the unbuffed BBS because actual figures are not 60-40, more like 75-25 or worse. An unbuffed BBS with 25 luck and 30 magic has about 335 AR onehanded, its swings will generally do about 120-130 damage (Pathetic damage btw). Buff it and it goes up to 585 AR, that is 250+ extra attack. The beauty of the BBS is that since it has natural magical damage those 250 get directly translated into damage, which after modifiers end up making the BBS hit for 400-450. This means that out of the total damage you have 120 coming from the sword and almost 300 coming from LW.
PS: You mention you recently started your own BBS build, I find it funny that you post a wiki page about a build you do not even have at the time. I have used the BBS since around January and have played around with its stats for like 7 months so I am not making things up here.
PSS: You actually asked someone to rate up your page in mine? Does that give me permission to do the same?
@Astrichthyes: On the endurance matter, I mentioned it in the guide but I might as well repeat: The only time when you would notice you are missing some stamina is when you won't be able to do the sixth hit combo, which is completely useless for two reasons:
1. You won't get anyone remotely good get caught in 6 hits very often
2. The combo usually (About 90% of the time) kills long before the sixth hit. Even imagining the worst (or best) case scenario where you start a combo an a guy with a full life bar and he does not escape it, the first three hits will take second chance, the next two will kill him and the precious sixth hit will whiff because he is already dead.
On the contrary, 5 extra vitality lets you survive one extra hit from almost everything, which will save your life a lot of times. I dare say my win-loss ratio increased like in 10% when I did this switch a few months ago.
@Everyone: Please do vote up, I am working on a matchup section on how to fight (and win against) most popular weapons and builds, but I find myself not too motivated when I know not many people will read it because it is in page two.
yes and I got admit your build is not bad ill change my vote to +1 and the only reason I dont have higher vit is because im at 120 if you want ill take out the plus 1 stuff but I disagree I beleive that the endurance in better than the vit.
and I am sorry I was being a child saying stupid stuff like you copid me and either today or tomorrow I will get 120 so I would like to fight you to see wich build is better you will probably win I dont suck Im just a bit above the avarage player Im not some amasing pro that wins every single match.
Sure, I can play with you. Though builds don´t really matter that much when fighting as long as they are not too bad. I don´t win all the time either, feel free to add me, psn same as here.
how about we keep talking by pm and I will add you.
Im a bit worried about going to 50 vitality , you cant delevel vitality , I just wish everyone pvp at 140 because it would be alot smoother :)
however I can attest that 40 vitality isnt very good because you will get kiled in 2 hits from crushing great axe or DBS.
Also dont you need insanity catalyst to get the most out of light weapon ?
Also 15 int with insanty catalyst can you even cast light weapon ?
Not sure what you are worried about, most builds can afford 50 Vitality, BBS was usually one of the builds that could not.
Yeah, you need Insanity Catalyst. I think it was an understatement when I put it in the required weapons section. And yeah, 15 int is enough.
here are some numbers on minimum damage with BBS — I might add that at SL 60 even minimum damage will kill stuff quick.
18 magic
7 luck
so insanity catalyst adds 28 extra damage compared to ToB
stance / damage / insanity catalyst / ToB
1h 272 458 430
2h 279 465 437