OhhhllalaMeatCleaver

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Build summary	A powerhouse build that has the stats of a faith build with a one added huge bonus. Welcome Mr. Meat cleaver
Recommended starting class(es)	Tknight
Recommended Soul Level	140
	Recommended stats (Leave at default (**) if not raised)
Vitality	40
Will/Intelligence	15
Endurance	38
Strength	34
Dexterity	40
Magic	6
Faith	40
Luck	**
Recommended equipment	Due to decent endurance, but the heavy weight of MC I recommend NOT using Old Doran's. Just because it doesn't have stamina impede, does not mean it isn't heavy! Try using a shield with full old doran's and MC, won't get you far! hence, for males; shaman's or full black leather Females; Bind, rogue For both, always always alwayyyyss use Silver Coronet to cast SC(it's a must can't live without it! Rings: Body which honeslty at this SL you will be. (Eternal, and Regen), dull or clever(I prefer not using hyper as I always state in my builds. Not a fan of winning using non-skilled rings or weapons(Moriion blade) to be a skilled player!! If by chance you do get someone to invade; foe's cling Co-op-you will get some people you can summon/be summoned with a SL 140 as i've been summoned over 3000 times in this Sl arena:) Friends with PWCT, cling!!! Weapons: Meat Clever/buff with Sticky White Stuff or Black Turpetine, blessed weapons. - Shields:Adjudicators(used on back when two handing weapons), DSS(can use even after casting light spell-will not decrease damage of buffs if cast before equipping the DSS), Knight's +10.
Recommended spells/miracles	Miracles: Faith(4 slots) -Second Chance(definite. Always have on you) -God's wrath(optional offensive miracle. Not too strong with 40 faith however) -Regen miracle as backup to SC -Cure(good for swamps in 5-2, but honestly not useful for PVP. Better if playing just PVE) -Anti-Magic(While can be used in PVE, please DO NOT use in PVP especialy co op, duels. Wll cause MAJOR MAJOR lag!! Just like clouds under spells cause major major major lag!! -God's wrath using TOG(Talisman of God) and Second Chance. Spells: Warding.
Gameplay tips and progression	This build uses the Meat Cleaver mainly in body form due to it's SL 140 PVP range. Black Turp, SWS can cause devastating damage if it connects(especialluy with a two, three hit hyper move combo). Be careful though as the initial swing can be slow acting, hence, opponent waiting it out for you to make sloppy mistakes, and taking advantage of it. Because unlike the DBS, it isn't a one, two hit kill, it is less risky to try going for the running, or roll backstab against an MC user. The advantages of this build are crushing power, has great "ground and pound" using roll R1 into a combo or direct hit. The HP regen the MC does is extremely minimum. I would recommend however never ever ever to use it when playing PVE for example, in hyper mode. It WILL I repeat WILL take you out of hyper mode. IF you use any hyper set when trying to defeat the game's Black Phantoms that come out and play in a PBWT, should you use Hyper gear do not use the Meat Cleaver(unless you are a seriously vit gouged build and go into hyper when in body form. As little effect as the MC has on HP, it will take you out of Hyper within a few seconds! It's happened to me, that is how I came to the realization, it has some impact on one's vitality

Comments

Another option..

(account deleted) 23 Mar 2011 17:10

Another route you can taking in building stats in the SL 140 range would be the following:
Vit-45
Endurance-36
Magic-30
Strength-40(1.5x bonus, S rating, and should be used two handed
Dex-30Get's S rating for MC
Faith-20(a bit more than the 16 initial stats for SC) Get's A in rating
Intelligence-14(you only need 14 with Silver Cor for Second Chance and ligh buff casting)
Luck-Default

m0ose 27 Apr 2011 17:03

if you're using the MC two handed you should never increase strength past 34. since 34*1.5=51, and there's a hard cap at 50.

Hey Moose

(account deleted) 23 May 2011 16:29

Moose,
I agree with you on tht strength due to it's 1.5 bonus two handing a weapon, in the case of the MC should not exceed past 34. In a build that doesn' tuse curse, but rather SWS or BTurp which is effective, I would possibly take strength to 34, or leave at 26, making faith and dex of equal stats.
While there are alternative ways in making a Meat Cleaver, I believe it should be in the SL 140+ range for it to be considered effective.
Here is a sample of how I would spread my stats not using a cursed build at SL 140-

Vit-40(as a host, 40 I've been comfortable with. However, if I am using a SL 130 host build I take vit to 50 since with most, I do not try hardcore hybrid roles as that would be spreading stats to thin. Quality builds should not be below 140 IMO as sharp, or pure strength builds outdamage it.

endurance-36(comfortable with 36 endurance)

Dex-40

Strenght-26(enought to wield MC one handed, or two. Can take it to 34 and lower faith, either one works.

Faith-40-I feel faith is important overall as with using ring of magic dullness, it actually works quite well against spell sword builds.

Magic-Default

Intelligence-11(Silver Coronet, Silver Catalyst to buff SC. May be considered cheap by some, hence tentative in all honestly whether to do or not. If I do not, than I take Int to 14, lower Faith a few points.

Luck-Default

With Black Trup, or SWS, the Meat Cleaver is an all out hard damaging crushing machine.
The one flaw is it's not a fast swining weapon, can easily be avoided by experienced players if they see that someone is trying a three hit combo, that completely misses. that leaves one open to a running backstab or multiple hits, stunlock combos, etc….
While I'd like the extra few points in vit, it simply IMO would not be possible as you would have to tweak endurance, and possibly Dex, or Strength.
This is why while maybe it's possilbe for some to use the Meat Cleaver in phantom form at SL 125 range, it honestly is not a build I would deem viable to use against most experienced players.

Regarding strength in general, while I agree for most part in not taking it past 50, because I like board sword play especially using strength builds, I take my strength up to 70. By one handing a knights sword with 70 rather than 50, the damage is much greater. Ofcourse two handed makes no difference, but I like mixing it up with R1, R2 combos. I know many would disagree, some would agree, but other than a DBS build, or using all weapons only two handed, 50 strength can't compete in PVP against Dex b uilds going by a pure damage stanpoint.
The strength build I use is at SL 130.50 vit, 70 strength to one hand knight's sword, with 33 endurance(comfortable with that number)
Stamina is at 33, but I'm very comfortable with this since I do not try two handed combo stunlocks these days, for exp players will try to parry, and it is just too predictable.
An experienced player that uses DBS is at an extreme advantage over any other builds. Two hit kills is something I look down upon. Noob weapon. The MH is one that is less noob and actually because the MH can be easily parried for the most part, I'm inclined to say it takes skill, timing, and spacing to use. DBS even using SWS destroys someone with 50+ vit host(especially when a phantom has pure black CT usign foe's). Not to say a host has any right not to think by using it, they aren't being noob as they are. Taking the chance to roll BS, run BS wait out the buff on DBS IMO is extremely risky. Lag, phantom range as with many weapons and as you know, I personally hate it when noobs think they are the SH-T by beating one with a two hit cursed DBS is reason enough for me to claim all those using DBS as for most part trying to win versus actual technique. Duel kats I feel require skill. I've never been one to use them for most part, but I sure as hell can tell teh difference between an experienced Duel Kat player versus a non.
Sorry for going off topic, but I guess I just started thinking about those DBS builds out there when strength was mentioned:)
I know you are a great player, and it is not intended/directed towards you in any way. In fact, you do not from what I've seen use very common builds. Your Penetrator one is devastatingly powerful and takes balls to use:):)