| Build summary | A very threatening build if mastered; Based on higher-level PvE |
| Recommended starting class(es) | Magician, Royalty, Thief |
| Recommended Soul Level | |
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Recommended stats (Leave at default (**) if not raised) |
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| Vitality | 35 |
| Will/Intelligence | 40 |
| Endurance | 30 |
| Strength | 26 |
| Dexterity | ** |
| Magic | 70 or as high as possible |
| Faith | ** |
| Luck | ** |
| Recommended equipment |
Helmet: Monk's Head Collar Right hand 1: Moon Great Sword Ring slot 1: Ring of Great Strength (enables you to roll quickly while wearing heavy armor and weapons) |
| Recommended spells/miracles |
Homing Soul Arrow Warding Soul Ray Cloak |
| Gameplay tips and progression |
Easiest character class to begin this build with is the thief because of his/her dagger and it's powered back-stabs. Upon starting a new game, and looting all of the npcs you kill, keep all of the firebombs you collect and/or buy firebombs from the merchant in 1-1. Kill everything and equip the cling ring from the bottom of the stairs with the lever. Once you have at-least 10 firebombs, have killed "Ostrava of Boletaria", looted the mausoleum key from him, and have picked up the thief's ring you may proceed to the red eye knight in 1-1. Equip the thief's ring and use the firebombs on and run away appropriately from the red eye knight as it can kill you relatively easily. Is it dead yet? Yes??! GRRRRRREAT! your half way there. Now open the door to the mausoleum and lure Old King Doran out the best way possible. DO NOT! attempt to fight him toe-to-toe as one quick swipe of his blade is more than enough to kill you. No, instead just lure him out enough and run so he cant get to you. Upon him walking back into the mausoleum quickly backstab him and quickly run away. (Repeat the lure process until he's dead) Upon completion, you have 27,000 souls, old king doran's armor, eternal warriors ring, and demonbrandt before you've even fought the first demon. Divide those souls into vitality, intelligence, and magic; most into magic. After defeating Phalanx and returning to the nexus, jump to the tower of Latria. Save Sage Freke and kill the first demon. Use the demon Idol's soul to create soul ray back in the nexus. This is your main arsenal until you get a curved sword or your ultimate weapon… Great sword and homing soul arrow. |
Demon Mage
Ive been working on this build for a couple days now because it intrigued me greatly. Initially, the name caught my eye and the equipment did too since it's unisex and girls can wear it too. Anyways, I've finally completed it and I must say.. this is a great one! I even created an account to this site because of it :) lol. About 11 or 12 BPs have invaded me and ALL fell to its complete package. I summon homing soul arrow and they're afraid to get too close to my great sword. I run at them and they dodge the arrows into my great sword. I can pluck them with soul ray to finish the fight or play with them a little with my great sword. all in all; its fast, its strong, the knock back from great sword grants a great amount of time to heal, fill up your mp guage, and cast homing soul arrow and if they get lucky enough to hit you, one hit from homing soul arrow (which you dont control) and theyre dead in the middle of stunning you.
Kudos to whomever created this build! Kris blade with insanity catalyst is just a killler if you and you dont even have to worry about the low magic defense because your secondary is dark silver shield.. the complete package of a build. Thanx for sharing!
I created Demon-Mage. I wanted a character with clarity. Great defense, great intimidation, great attack, and great mobility all in one without the need to buff (since that takes precious time during a pvp battle). Since ive made it, I haven't lost to a bp either :)
You really need to "know" your weapons and get used to combo's to make it effective tho. When invaded I immediately cast warding and homing soul arrow. I can imagine how much of a terror I must look rolling quickly towards them in heavy armor with warding, homing soul arrow up, insanity catalyst, and a great sword. lol That's why I named it Demon-Mage.
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
I had someone suicide hahaha it's the best. Thanx a lot z00
No problem :)
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
though you said this was PvE?
Makes sense…
…if you don’t think about it
PSN ID: someone_to_love, heroihnigma
how r we supposed to get insanity catalyst and homing souls arrow if they both need yellow demons soul?
You have to play through the game more than once. In fact, in order to get (by using your boss demon's souls) all of the weapons/spells/miracles possible you have to play it through with the same character at least 4 times. I say at least because many boss's souls can be used for 4 different things.
If you look at the Yellow Demon's soul in the wiki, you will see it can be used for Insanity Catalyst, Homing Soul Arrow, Banish, and Soul Thirst. That means you have to defeat the Old Monk 4 times.
Most likely it will take more than 4 playthroughs because you will want to get all weapon upgrades using ores you find as well as other things.
What rings do you use in soul/body form?
Cool build ^_^ I have a suggestion, though. You made this build to be used with Insanity Catalyst, right? Well…you know, since you designed it to have Magic at 70, you could probably do better with a Talisman of Beasts. If you have 35 Magic and 35 Faith, your Talisman of Beasts will be better than using an Insanity Catalyst with 70 Magic. It also means you won't have 50% of your MP, and have Miracles available should you ever use them (Second Chance, and God's Wrath is good for the knockdown even though it won't do much damage with 35 Faith).
Just an alternative ^_^ This build will do incredible damage either way.
PSN: Nick1Nintendo
Ask my anything. About Magic, that is.
Truly? Im at work right now and dying to get home to try this out. I've never really utilized the talisman of beats so this endeavor should be very fun. Thanks a lot. I do have a question though… how is it that the talisman of beasts will out-do insanity catalyst? I've read that the ToB does more damage than anything "other" than insanity catalyst while creating an equilibrium between magic and faith stat…
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
Yeah ^_^ I use the TOB with my Spellsword build. At 18 Faith and 49 Magic, it outdamages my Wooden Catalyst. This is because, while TOB scales slightly less with Magic, it scales with Faith as well, which basically means it scales with Magic + Faith. If the C rating in WC scales at 60% and the C rating in TOB scales at 50%, then it would be either 60%x49Magic or 50%x67 Magic (Faith + Magic for TOB).
If that didn't make sense (a strong possibility, I'm tired), you'll just have to take my word for it ^_^
Now, with Insanity Catalyst, it's the same concept but on a much larger scale. As a general rule, if your Magic and Faith are about equal, a TOB will outdamage an IC. I read this in EWFG's guide, and according to his tests, at 99 Magic and 99 Faith the TOB far outdamages IC. We can therefore assume it's the same at lower levels.
The downside to the "pushed" TOB (keeping Magic and Faith equal) is that it takes twice as many stats to match the IC early on. For example, you can have 20 points in Magic and Faith, and while the TOB is stronger, you could easily take Faith to 0 and have an unaffected IC. See what I mean? This problem is solved in higher-level builds. Due to diminishing returns, increasing Magic past 50 for the IC won't increase Spell power much. However, with TOB, you can bring Magic to 50, then switch to icnreasing Faith. You'll get Spell power icnreases with no diminishing returns.
I hope that all made sense. Let me know if you have questions.
((Credit to EWFG's PvP guide for some information regarding "pushed" TOB))
PSN: Nick1Nintendo
Ask my anything. About Magic, that is.
That's bada$$. Thanks again Nick. Sorry I made you explain, I was just curious. Im definitely going to take heed to it. Over all it would be better for my magic defense too!
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
Yes it is. And no problem ^_^ And that's true, as a Mage build you could use some Magic defense to balance out the Kris Blade + Monk's Head Wrappings + whatever.
EDIT: Wait a second, wait a second…I may have gotten ahead of myself here. There is a rumor that IC will actually outdamage the TOB until Magic and Faith are both at 40. This doesn't fit with my past experience…but maybe they are referring to a different version of the game. I'm not sure. I should really do some tests, but I don't have the time as of now. I'll try to get some done this weekend.
PSN: Nick1Nintendo
Ask my anything. About Magic, that is.
Ever get a chance to test this theory out?
This sounds like a wicked build, I am tempted to start a new game just to try it out!
However, I do have one question, here is the excerpt from the build info it is based on:
From Gameplay Tips And Progression: …you have 27,000 souls, old king doran's armor, eternal warriors ring, and demonbrandt before you've even fought the first demon. Divide those souls into vitality, intelligence, and magic; most into magic. After defeating Phalanx and returning to the nexus…
Ummm, don't you have to defeat Phalanx BEFORE you can put ANY of those 27,000 souls into leveling up your SL?
Not trying to be a prick, genuinely curious!
lol yeah, I said you HAVE the souls before you fight phalanx, not that your able to utilize them. The true reason for doing this is to receive the best light armor, in the game, extremely early on and hopefully making your fight against Phalanx easier.
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
Ah, I guess the "be f*cking careful so you don't lose your (very!) hard-earned 27,000 souls!" was too obvious to be stated, huh?
Lol!
Should add that people should also stock up on the firebombs for clearing out those pesky Hoplies protecting Phalanx.
Anyways, any suggestions to make this build better are greatly appreciated.
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
Firestorm + Moon Great Sword = Pure terror. Homing soul arrow, i believe, will go over the opponents head if they're knocked down so i would go with FS. Also, the Great sword can work well with a shield so the DSS is a great choice with it.
Good build, if found myself creating it from scratch and then found that you already had the build posted so good work!
Couldn't find a bunny with toast, ah well.
PSN: toasT_Bacon, toasTBacon
No, homing soul arrow follows the torso of the closest enemy nomatter what stance; knocked down or standing. I would normally use soul ray when they're down though. I "personally" prefer homing soul arrow because its lovely
to cast it while your enemy is immobilized during firestorm ^_^
It's merely preference though.. I'm just not as proficient with firestorm as I am with homing soul arrow. ToasTBacon could you tell me how firestorm does for your character build? I'm exceedingly interested to hear what becomes of your prey. Anyways, thanks!
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
I've had the Great Sword + Firestorm used against me only once and i lucked out when the fires hit nowhere near where i was knocked down. Still a good option because the guy was still able to roll away as i was gettin up.
In terms of me using it, right now i'm just looking for all the moonstone the GS eats up : ( but i'll let you know when i start actively PvPing with it again. Even an unupgraded Great Sword, in skilled hands, can knock down the enemy for the storm. If you like Homing soul arrow than go for it, the main thing is that the great sword gives you time to do any spell you want, and i never use firestorm unless i'm sure i'm safe from being punished for it.
Oh, and your welcome! ^_^
Couldn't find a bunny with toast, ah well.
PSN: toasT_Bacon, toasTBacon
Firestorm is generally a very frowned upon practice in actual PVP duels (Red-eye stone). When you're invaded its all fun but if you're dueling someone (especially in tournaments), firestorm is considered foul play..of course thats a matter of opinion
at least they don't do the major dick move of using the scraper.
Started this build yesterday, and I'm at King Doran. Exactly how long is this battle supposed to take? I'm doing 15 damage per backstrike when I dual wield my dagger. Some…uh…help here please?
It takes a long time, it took my like 35min or so doing 23dmg each backstab…
That's what I eventually ended up doing. Dagger +2 to make the battle shorter. Gotta say though, once you get past that huge bump in the road, this build is shaping up to be quite awesome. This game was never this easy on my other file.
Hi there! I'm a newb to the board, but instead of duking it out with Old King, I ended up just pushing him down the shaft for a terrain kill. Only took 5 minutes, and seemed to be pretty funny listening to him scream 'You're a JERK, dude!' when he croaked. =) Either way, the only thing I think I'll have a problem doing, since I've always been more comfortable with fighting at a distance, is getting to / killing the 3-1 boss without anti-magic. Once that's done, though, I think I'll be having a blast with it.
I've been looking for a good mage build, and this whets my appetite! =) Thanks so much for posting this. I've learned a TON just visiting the site and reading up on some of the techniques everyone uses.
What build is the best for PvP do you think? I started with this class today and it seems to kill everybody. I really like this class but I would like to know what is the best build for a magic user like myself. I have another character that is level 183 and I didnt know that almost everyone stayed at about 120 so I said that I was going to make a new character. So which is the best build like I have said twice before for a magic user? Thanks for your help and have a good day. :)
Hi - I have just started Demons Souls and at the moment I am at lvl 57. I started as a Royal and I have been following this build with my character. The only thing was that I did not kill Old King Doran just attacked him enough for him to give me the demonbrandt sword. I thought that I could come back to him at a later time to finish him off - but now I have gone back to him, he just stands there and does not attack? Is this side challenge now ended because I wanted the armor from him :(
Any ideas on how to get the fight going with him I would be grateful - or if this quest is now finished because I did not kill him the first time confirmation would be great
Cheers
He won't get aggressive towards you unless you continue attacking him after he gives you the sword. If you want his armor, go back to him and start attacking him. Trust me, he'll attack if you do that. ; ) Remember though, once he gets aggressive and starts attacking you, he will do so every time you go back to him without further provocation.
After you've attacked him enough to get demonbrandt, you can reload game and backstab him to half health. I do this because it's too much hassle to attack him upfront doing 4 damage…. or maybe im just impatient lol.
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
Thanks guys - i will go back and keep attacking until he gets angry :) I thought that I had blown it with this quest - excellent
hey just started and wondering how you obtain the insanity catalyst and homing soul arrow spell?
It saddens me to tell you but you need TWO yellow demon's souls to obtain them both. (ultimately this means you wont have both until new game +) I advise you give your first yellow demon's soul to sage freke in the nexus to learn homing soul arrow and during your second play through you have to give the yellow demon's soul to blacksmith ed in the stonefang mines with a silver catalyst. Also, make sure ed has your red hot demon's soul or else he wont be able to craft your insanity catalyst.
PSN: z00orleanz
"Fall to my blade and fear the next blow"
I have started using this more and more and it can be a very deadly combination. I use Homing Soul Arrow as well but the Firestorm after the knockdown usually has pleasing results ^_^. The trick is to be quick after a knockdown with the sword, switch to the Kris blade in off right hand and cast. You want to be a little bit away from them, not right in front of them, for best results. Even if it fails you can usually salvage be rolling away, and if they try to punish you by being overaggressive you can swat 'em away again and repeat. HSA helps to keep them from getting to close — you want them to be in the optimum range for the Great Sword.
Anyway, thats the way i use it.
Couldn't find a bunny with toast, ah well.
PSN: toasT_Bacon, toasTBacon
One good thing about using homing soul arrow over firestorm is the decrease in hate mail ; )
Yeah, even if you knocked them down they will think you cheaped out on them if you firestorm. Although it makes you wonder how they consider getting hit by your weapon to be cheap …
Couldn't find a bunny with toast, ah well.
PSN: toasT_Bacon, toasTBacon
There is no 'cheaping out' an invading BP. I have sadly come to realize that a majority of gamers are 16-24 year-old unemployed megalomaniacs (usually under the influence of some substance). And 80% of the time you will get invaded before you ever see a Blue Eye summon. But I do have to give props to those hardcore tougha$$e$ that drop a Red Eye gauntlet - that's PVP the way PVP is meant to go. I usually head to a narrow tunnel or ramp and pop up my HSA and then switch to soul ray and just let them try and get close enough. Hate mail just means that you're doing something right.
Nick1Nintendo you probable recognize my name because of how many times you killed me when i invaded your world. Man that damn homing soul arrow is a killer…..Everytime i went after him with the meat cleaver he either destroyed my face with that or what was it………the kris blade??? monk head turbin and everything nick. Our first encounter i had you donw to a crack of health and thought you were going to die (unless you had second chance) then homing soul arrow and the fight was finished……………… This is a strong build seemingly from the reviews so i will attempt to make this when i get back home. Till next time i find you nick lol hopefully i'll win.