And Severence, Century is right about diminishing returns. While you may be right about favoring one stat below 40…that won't work in terms of spell damage. 40/20 is like having a 30/30 Pushed ToB. You need AT LEAST 40/40 for a Pushed ToB to work in PvP, just as you need at least 40 Magic for an ICat to work.

Sorry, but speaking as a guy who screws around with quality builds a lot, that is just not true.

And severance, you actually do gain less damage the farther you raise the stats. That's a fact. 30/30 gives you better damage on spells because the lower the level, the better returns per level. For example, before 30, A crushing +5 weapon will gain 5 AR per point. After 30, the gains drop. This holds true for EVERY damage stat. It is NOT misinformation. You say it has not been explained, this just proves you do not understand the concept of diminishing returns. At a certain point, every damage stat begins to have less effect. There is no grand conspiracy. These are facts.

if someone from eurversion helps me dlvl..i can correr atleast 6 points from int..and put 2 on faith so i can use ToB….and the other 4 in vit so i get 40 vit atleast…

what should i do? start from 0 or try to correct???

C rating + C rating = A rating

So if you have 40C/40C, it will match 40A.

Once you're over 40 diminishing returns kick in, so instead of getting 4 damage per stat point you get 2. However, if you start increasing Faith instead (and it's below 40), you still get 4 damage per point.

Yes, I understand that C+C = A, but nowhere does it say either C has to be equal to one another before the point where you hit diminishing returns. It makes zero sense that 40 (C) + 20 (C) does not equal 30 (A). It seems like a lot of misinformation and the only reason it's said to keep the levels close is so people do not go over 40 in either stat. If you're playing a build that relies on casting spells and uses a Crescent prefix or another weapon that scales extremely well off the Magic stat, it makes a lot more sense to build up Magic as high as you can up to 40 before ever touching Faith beyond 18, especially when it's never even been explained why 30/30 is apparently better than 40/20.

And as far as diminishing returns goes, it's easy enough to see in something like Endurance, but how does Magic diminish when each point gives exactly the same listed spellpower from 1- 99? Is there a hidden % that's used when the game calculates exactly how much damage you'll do and 41 is where you start getting less per point? Or is all of this based off the assumption you're going for a level 120 build, and against another level 120 build you won't "need" more than 40 if you want an all around balanced PvP character?

When you make such a ridiculous post no one really feels like answering, which makes your question go unanswered for days. To be honest I feel you would not even understand what people explained to you by the way you type things.

I noticed that you changed the stats from magic 45 to 40, and vitality from 40 to 45?

I was thinking of increasing my endurance to 35 so I could uchi push combo effectively with duel moon katanas, and keeping vitality at 40 and magic at 40 for PVP 125. What do you think?

Ps: i use ring of magical sharpness/rat's ring and monk's head collar/kris blade(obvious) as boosters….moon katana plus 5…thinking on trying a moon great sword plus 5..if i dont like it i will not increase endurance…because I only use weapons double handed dont need more stamina for double wields or shield block…just rolling and small combos (2-3 attacks)…..

So if you have 40C/40C, it will match 40A.

Once you're over 40 diminishing returns kick in, so instead of getting 4 damage per stat point you get 2. However, if you start increasing Faith instead (and it's below 40), you still get 4 damage per point.

The ToB gives you powerful Magic with 100% MP if your Faith and Magic stats are the same.

I still don't really understand how this works. ToB has a C/C for Magic/Faith. What does having Magic/Faith near or at the same level actually do over just raising one of the stats higher than the other since both are a C for scaling? Is there some invisible modifier?

Since the Talisman of Beasts has a C/C rating in Magic and Faith, spell power scales with both stats. Spells will deal more damage when using a ToB with 30/30, as opposed to 40/20 or 20/40.

Why is this? You get scaling off of each stat, but what does having them "close" have to do with anything when you get a flat +dmg per point of Magic and per point of Faith? 30/30 SHOULD be exactly the same as 40/20 or 20/40.

iCat: 45 Magic/Any Faith = 610 Damage
ToB: 45 Magic/24 Faith = 548 Damage
ToB 45 Magic/30 Faith = 574 Damage
ToB 45 Magic/35 Faith = 588 Damage
ToB 45 Magic/40 Faith = 601 Damage
ToB 45 Magic/41 Faith = 603 Damage
ToB 45 Magic/42 Faith = 607 Damage
ToB 45 Magic/43 Faith = 610 Damage
ToB 45 Magic/44 Faith = 614 Damage

So where is the list that shows 35/34 doing more than 45/24, unless beyond 40 you're biting into diminishing returns (even though you're still gaining +100 spellpower per Magic…)?